Conflict in Gathering of a Family topic

Okay. We've ran into a little problem here. With a post with a ninja vs a Bijuu.

As it is assumed that one of my techinques is just a tornato of wind, but it is an enhanced version of the kaiten techinque which is what? A solid snipping wall of chakra. What is the differnce of my techinque. It add Fuuton chakra into the jutsu known as kaiten and increases rotation speed.
Now what has happened. I think Dante has assumed because it is a fuuton tech that's all it is is a regular and solid form of wind, when that is not the case. As it was never a pure wind based jutsu. I added fuuton chakra to a solid and spinning vorxet of chakra. As the previous kiaten adding in an element similar to how a rasengan is a mini verson of chakra, but when you add wind it is still a soilid ball of chakra along with the wind rasengan techinuqe.

So the problem here is how the wind has spread, and the suction effect of my jutsu. Could it attract the flames inward towardsw the jutsu sure. I believe it could, but the problem I have here is that the jutsu isn't just wind or even a hollow form of wind. It is a fuuton chakra. The logic of what does apply to natural affinity and chakra affinity is differnt. In addition to this I find this a very interesting thing.

Dante has stated that the wind has blown harder than before towards the three, but his post is also some what contradictory. Why? Because the winds are spreading towards the lands nearly instantly, and how can something spread inward? Meaning it would indeed be moving outward if it is spreading towards the land. As Ejiki, Uson and Kakushin are in the center. It said towards the rest of the land not spreading towards the center of the three as we are already in it apparently. Even though I can't complain about hos the fire so called spread instantly, as none of us stated that an argument against it. However in my post. I had begun the rotation on the first menacing ball. And the lighting that and spread fire so instantly that it covered a 360 area with in a micro second came what? AFTER the second menacing ball. So? my post I began the roation before the fire spread so instantly in it's magnificent blaze. With that I also find it kinda contradicting that my suction effect is inward and the fire is spreading towards the lands because of the winds. They would also be pulled in two differnt directions so this ring of fire thing definetely needs to be check out.

Yeah I know shut up Bonten, but I am almost there.
As i stated above I believe Dante assumed my Fuuton Enhanced kaiten is purely wind. Which it is not. For the fire to spread so quickly and even suck away all the oxgen needs to be looked at clearly. It's also a solid wall of what? Fuuton chakra spinning in the form of a tornado. Is this supposed flame going to burn away every single molecoule of oxygen? Even though there is a solid wall of chakra protecting the three? I find it hard to believe it will simply burn through all the layes of chakra. if it did catch on fire some how what would happen to the chakra? Why assume I can't control the duration of the rotation ? I mean hell Even Amatsura took a while to catch a whole forest a blaze, and that shit is instant.

My last and final remark is that I also think it's highly unfair for the Tatanari to suddely be immune to everyting but physical pure chakra. I know Dev said so on MSN, but I don't think it's fiar to v, Me and Ejiki that rules are switched in the middle of combat like that when it says no such on the FORUM atm. If that is so. that means it is indeed immune to all forms of physical existence.

To completely ignore the attacks or defense I attempted to put up because a switch was made verbally after the fight had begun is rather bullshitty in my opinion.

So what do we have here?
A contradiction of where the wind is blowing and how it is spreading.
A possible assumtion of what my jutsu is,
A bijuu who supposedly was just changed to become immune to all forms of physical existence which is fuuton enhanced chakra, and natural fire.
A fire that could in no real way spread instantly 360 degrees before the second menacing ball is launched. While my jutsu was active before or right as the first one was launched.

So I'd like for Bobby to please review what happened, and what didn't happen before people I post or even repy in character.

https://betatestninja.rpg-board.net/t2028-the-gathering-of-a-family#12579

Above is a link to the thread. Thanks for the time and review. I'd like to get this done Asap.

Im not gonna argue in depthly because its not really affecting me but more so them and whatever is decided is decided. But here is a response, simplified to the best of my ability.

Initially the wind was blowing in a way to carry the flames and spread them. This doesn't mean the flames leave their current location and move on, they spread, increasing their body mass. Meaning the flames still exist where they started, fire is just growing larger and spreading outward.

Now the lightning struck as Tatari roared which was as he through the FIRST menacing ball, for it clearly said he held on to the second. Lightning being what it is doesn't take but a flash to touch down as a coincidental and natural phenomenon considering the whether. The fire has to spread fast enough that the rain can't extinguish it, as its been described to make the ring.

The change in wind occurs for the simple fact your rotation has an inward pull extending 10 meters outside the 20 meter jutsu range. If it pulls, the flames are attracted and follow. Fire feeds on oxygen and winds to carry it. That's fact for you. So you using a high speed rotation involving wind will only feed this massive flame as it spread toward you. Like a wild fire, the rotation just creates a blazing inferno. And as we know this is a wind jutsu vs a natural fire, one can only assume the same rule applies with affinities though under unique circumstance. The fire isn't a jutsu however your suction is what draws it in. Maybe if your technique blew outward that would prevent this, but you jutsu has a pull effect as you've said in your RP post.

Its still questionable whether or not the menacing ball is able to smash through your so call fuuton wall. I mean im finding it hard how a menacing ball from a full out bijuu can't go through that.

About Tatari being immune to all elements, Im on the fence. Devin said it on MSN however I didn't notice that bit on the bijuu page till after posting. So I don't know. That's in the control of whoever views this. However the well being of Tatari doesn't matter in the case to protect yourself. Even if its harmed by the fire or even the wind, your action that allowed so would still bring death to you.

With that said I leave it in the hands of whoever is reviewing and whatever happens happens.

See My friend that is where the problem also begins.

Meaning the flames still exist where they started, fire is just growing larger and spreading outward

Okay and I have a suction effect that pulls inwards. For these flames to blast outward it would what? The wind would be blowing them outward, and even with the simply fact there would be negative push and a postive pull.

I do know and agree fire feeds on oxygen, but that's the problem. My jutsu isn't a large ass ball of oxygen. Even so what are these flames really spreading towards? We are at the location of the tree of life. And to simply assume that the flames would ended burn out the oxygen between several layers of chakra is kinda beyond me. In addition to that the yes this is wind chakra vs natural fire, but I think you're assuming that the fire is something like Kirin when indeed it is not even manipulated or formed into a shape as such, so to force fully pull every single flame when the wind blowing the flames outward, and the suction effect is pulling it inward of only 10 meters I also find it very unlikely.


I also understand the actions of you saying it happened swiftly but it didn't indicate that the flames appeared before the lighting came. The way your post is written the flames came after the second ball is launched.
As for the menacing ball it's not the same as Naruto's, and that where I think the problem is. It's a ball 3 meter sized ball with a 2 meter density that explodes in a maxum range of 6 meters and electrocutes, whatever it touches. It smashing through 20 meters of fuuton chakra is wierd to me. As it would connect with the force layer of chakra. Also for the flames to be feeding inward they'd have to be collapsing inward as it wouldn't be possibl to spread something inward. That is why the flames and ect make no sense to me. Include the moisture of the air, and the rain.... It speading outward and getting pulled back inward isn't logical. I will follow your lead though, and leave this to it's fate.

Look I can't help but say this, you guys are forgetting the 'setting' in which this battle is being fought. It isn't on a dry plain, it's up in a tree. A massive fucking tree.
It's called the Tree Of Life for a reason. Now lets look at the facts regarding lightning, it strikes the highest possible point, now you'll note that during that topic not once did I or any of the others state that we where standing at the 'top' of the tree.
So how the hell did we three suddenly get hit by lightning? Quite honestly I'm not sure, mainly because I wasn't aware that controlling lightning, and I mean Avatar style controlling, was one of the Bijuu's abilities. As far as I knew, the Bijuu couldn't be harmed by physical attacks.
But if we are going to assume that SOMEHOW the lightning did flash down directly onto my group, lets talk about the resulting conflict of forces. Firstly we have the Menacing Ball used by the Bijuu, for it's abilities and purposes, lets call it S-Rank, personally I'd call it A-Rank but that isn't important. The important aspect of this is that it was 'lightning', and in the Narutoverse, Wind is superior to lightning. So we have what I believe to be a A or S Rank jutsu. So in any good essay you define the terms, and for now I'm going to treat this like an essay and I think I've defined most of the terms needed, but I'm going to refer back to the environment in which this was carried out, it was raining, and there was suction, so rain will ALSO have been pulled in, not just the fire that I'm starting to doubt should have been ANYWHERE close to us to begin with.
So if we do have these menacing balls being tossed around I'd also like to point out something about them too. They are EMP Pulses, they aren't going to light anything up.
So what Rank are we going to call the fire? Well here is my opinion, without the backing-up of the Menacing Balls it hasn't the required heat to get past Uson's Spinning Defense. But it is being sucked in and held there, with copious amounts of rain.
Now I hope I don't also have to point out that the EMP effect of the menacing balls will also have been cancelled out by Uson's Spinning.

Now we come upon the issue of suddenly changing the rules regarding a Bijuu. And while I was on the CB I was pretty sure I heard someone saying that they'd been given two places to attack. An order like that can only come from Devin or someone who is at least an Admin. Perhaps a lack of communication? Look I honestly don't care, that's the guys with the @'s Business not mine, I'm only concerned with what I can deal with, this stuff.
Now I'd also like to talk about the other aspects of Uson's Kaiten, now while I'm pretty sure the flames are right up there, they aren't stopping the oxygen getting through, and guess what? Shinobi have held their breath for long periods of time, for Uson, Kyo and myself to accomplish it isn't a great jump.
Now I'm biased, my characters life is on the line. And suddenly we have a fellow Village\Province Member walk up and go through our stuff!

Look I'm tired, and I seriously need to go to bed, this is all I can manage for now.
Good Night.

This bijuu is gay....

Out

I agree with Suno. I need to look further into this situation with the help of my battle review partner. That is all. Judgement will be posted by end of the dizay.

Throwing in my two cents.

Based on canon-ness, and watching Kidomaru vs. Neji after this happened, Neji's spin caught my attention.

Neji's spin vs. Kidomaru's spiderwebs basically went like this:

Kidomaru tries to trap him, Neji starts spinning, webs get caught in the spin and never make it anywhere close to inside the dome created by the spin.

Now, I looked over Uson's jutsu again. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the fires could last anywhere near long enough to get close to Uson, V, and me in the middle. Due to is being 20 meters at speeds fast enough to cut steel in half.

And, if going based on the actual canon logic of the show, the fire should stay on the outside of the dome, rather than seep in anyways.

-Ramblings of a sleepy kid done.

Throwing my little two-cents around <<.

The chakra acts as a protective barrier, with the rotation to help block attacks. There is no way fire can mix in with the chakra, let alone get to the user of this jutsu unless its of a higher level than this jutsu. As we've seen, the Rotation flings objects away from the target, not in toward them, that wouldn't make any sense since this is a defensive technique. Now one thing to be wary of is the amount of heat energy, which can still burn Uson if its intensity is high enough. The rotation of the chakra and such could also extinguish the flames if they are not powerful enough.

After skimming through this, I realize that here is something about fire and some other shit and a heavenly spin.

Now.. lets break this down logically.

When you spin something, there is a rapid movement of air.

When neji did his little jutsu, all things were deflected away from the spin and not sucked in. So we logically say that the motion of the air around him is going outwards. Since air IS particles of various gases it is considered matter. And all matter that comes in contact with the rotation is pushed out.

Now the idea that fire needs air to grow is evident. If you put a lid over a match, the fire goes out after using up all the oxygen.

Now lets look at a birthday candle. When you blow at a candle, you blow hard enough and the fire blows out. Don't blow enough, and the fire momentarily gets small and ignites again.

Now considering the fact that the rotation is strong enough to fling people in responsible distance. It can be assumed that it would put out near by fire.

Next the menacing ball... a bijuu's most powerful attack. Designed to literally " Fuck shit up"
From MY point of view, a heavenly spin could not survive a direct attack. Here is my reasoning...

You ever try to stop something that was spinning? Stopping a fan by sticking your finger into it. you don't need a great deal of force or even something that strong.

MY OPINION the direct hit with the menacing ball should of been more than enough to do SOME damage.

Sure we seen neji stop a few kunai and some spiders and repeal a naruto clone or two.. But we are talking something with explosive force. And that is what you need to realize. That is my two cents.. you decide if he is hurt or dead.

Menacing Ball > Rotation that's a fact.

Quote :

Menacing Ball: It a black ball that has red charges of electricity circling around it and passing through it. The Menacing Ball will be formed in either hand of the Bijuu and when hitting something it expands on contact to six meters the ball will send electrical impulses through the entire body of the opponent, if they were hit with it, making them completely immobile for four post. However, this menacing ball is different. It can be fired rapidly much like a machine gun and several hundred balls can be fired in just a few minute

I don't think Tatari's ball can kill us?

I hope I don't have to point our that simply 'skimming' over this sort of thing is acceptable or achieve a justifiable resolution Devin. You have to look at this and after reading your post, I thought; "My god, what the hell is he smoking?"

Firstly make sure you know what you are talking about, in this case you don't. Uson's jutsu creates 'suction' it doesn't push stuff away. This would have ripped up that Bijuu under the rules which I understood. Secondly, this Bijuu's Menacing Ball is an EMP, and what do you think they do? It is an electrically powered blast that will paralyze what it comes into contact with. Unfortunately, it didn't come into contact with us, curtsy of Uson's jutsu.
Which was elementally situated to fuck the shit out of the Menacing Ball in question, wind beats lightning.

I seriously can't see how there where any flames to start off with. EMP doesn't ignite stuff and the previously mentioned lightning strike I think is far-fetched. We weren't even close to the top of the goddamn tree!

THANK YOU. That was exactly what I was about to state. Every Bijuu here is different including its menacing balls. The Menacing balls seem to stun and not kill but imoblize the target. It says it expands to six meters are you going to say it exands 20?

Id also like to point out two things.
The MY Kaiten is an Fuuton enhanced version Kazumi made me bump it to A-Rank. I also have the elemental advantage over this menacing ball. The ball it self doesn't even say it kills just stuns for four post.

Secondly it wasnt even charged after the first one was fired. Meaning there shit wouldn't even happen, and if it did hit my fuuton kaiten the Tatanari is stunned by its own attack. Because my Kaiten is 20 meters and the Tatanari mb expands 6 meters meaning it is also hit.

The problem is we think of the MBs as power which they are, but they are not the the same as the Kyuubi's or the Hachibani's. I dont think its fair to think just because its a Bijuu We or I get overpowered because we are ninja.

Ok, I'm putting an end to this on the following basis, starting with the fire.

Spoiler:

Casus "No. Fuck that it's my topic to review. I already started reviewing it and I am giving my judgement no one else."

What Kazumi said works, with one edit. The other two people do not take much damage at all, and due to the defensive qualities of rotation, Uson will not take a massive amount of damage. Rotation is a release of all the chakra in ones body, and your stat is about kage level. So that will lesson some of the blow.